Subject	Driveline plays a factor as well. Someone correct me
Posted by	tystar on February 20, 2008 at 1:54 PM
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In Reply To	Why can't the VG achieve high numbers on pump gas? posted by 91Z32TT on February 20, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Message	if I'm wrong on this but from what I've read the loss for FWD is from 8-15% While RWD is anything from 15-25% so using the outside limit on either end produces a 15% loss on FWD and 25% on RWD. Making FWD car that produces ~550WHP actually ~633FWHP While a ~550HP RWD car is actually ~688FWHP. Devils Advocate Flame suit on. ~550 dyno on a FWD Honda could be ~594FWHP ~550 dyno on a RWD Z32 could be ~688 FWHP producing close to 100 HP more at the crank. So what I'm trying to get across is that the Z32 is actually producing more power on pump gas then the FWD Honda, The Z with less boost and smaller turbos. So a Z32 that dynos at ~450 is producing the same crank power as a FWD at ~550.
Follow Ups	Why can't the VG achieve high numbers on pump gas? - 91Z32TT 11:00:01 02/20/08 I don't believe any of your friends, or what you've heard. - ni[X]it 11:11:30 02/20/08 I was present at the civic's dyno, you can believe it. He is - 91Z32TT 11:48:50 02/20/08 So he's making 550 on pump at 11,000rpm? (n/m) - ni[X]it 11:50:44 02/20/08 Don't recall the redline, you're probably close *shrug* (n/m) - 91Z32TT 11:56:46 02/20/08 did he drive the car to the dyno and home again? (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 12:15:40 02/20/08 Yep, it's his DD (n/m) - 91Z32TT 12:26:52 02/20/08 Peoples' definition of "pump gas" can vary. And some will - Inzane 11:12:40 02/20/08 Final compression ratio limits the amount on pump gas (n/m) - xybertron 11:13:00 02/20/08 People are probably just being "that conservative" - en5 11:19:26 02/20/08 buy a civic then (n/m) - LJZTT 11:26:07 02/20/08 that's BS. My Z can make 700hp on pump gas - ZEngineer 11:30:08 02/20/08 I agree, balance is the key. (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 16:27:34 02/20/08 turbo size - zboost(NoVA) 11:33:55 02/20/08 Z owners for the most part are looking for a well rounded - CRAZZEPETE. 11:35:40 02/20/08 It depends on a few things.......... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 11:36:54 02/20/08 Thank you! (and zboost) That was the reply I was looking for - 91Z32TT 11:45:15 02/20/08 Ideally? No. - Hawkin"Z" 11:56:27 02/20/08 I'm not speaking in terms of streetability, how the car is - 91Z32TT 12:04:37 02/20/08 "Opening it up on the freeway"...that's where you lost me. - Hawkin"Z" 12:17:18 02/20/08 Eh, just for the fun factor. All safety hazards and street - 91Z32TT 12:37:33 02/20/08 True. I just try not to indulge the idea because of the risk - Hawkin"Z" 13:01:30 02/20/08 You could run a second fuel tank with a switch so you could - Scotts94z32 13:04:46 02/20/08 Get a ride in Zs with various turbos so you can decide. - Scotts94z32 12:04:35 02/20/08 someone should try borg warner turbos on the Z. (n/m) - zboost(NoVA) 11:45:37 02/20/08 The variable vein turbos? It'd be nice if someone could - 91Z32TT 11:46:41 02/20/08 We would need that design sometime prior to - AbsolutZ (OH) 12:10:31 02/20/08 They are regular turbos - zboost(NoVA) 12:29:16 02/20/08 New porsche gt2. 505 ft lbs at 2200rpm. Case and point! (n/m) - 91Z32TT 12:39:50 02/20/08 for those who dont know what they are: - nemo1080 13:10:37 02/20/08 It's funny you said that because I was looking at Borg - Kelticttz 16:39:56 02/20/08 Either way, I prefer... - CameronSF 11:42:55 02/20/08 lol - nuff said (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 11:43:24 02/20/08 let's see that civic in 10 years time. hell, 10 months time - vorpalZ 11:51:11 02/20/08 2nd. I've seen plenty of fast turbo hondas - nemo1080 11:53:52 02/20/08 you gotta pay to play the bench race game (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 11:55:06 02/20/08 Not to bash honda's - Jason300zxTT 13:03:58 02/20/08 Because $5.29/gallon is the cheapest insurance you can buy. - Scotts94z32 12:00:50 02/20/08 Re: Woot noob thoughts...... - Veztige 12:08:51 02/20/08 Lack of fuel #1 cause, Exhaust reversion #2 cause. - ni[X]it 12:13:18 02/20/08 Deep thought... - Hawkin"Z" 12:11:51 02/20/08 Stop it. (n/m) - BradZ (FL) 12:19:32 02/20/08 That response was insulting, both to myself and to the - 91Z32TT 12:23:42 02/20/08 Fair enough...I call a truce (extending hand). - Hawkin"Z" 12:54:44 02/20/08 Truce! As for the power output - - 91Z32TT 15:14:31 02/20/08 Lol...I understand & agree completely. - Hawkin"Z" 15:19:48 02/20/08 buy a honduh. (n/m) - Halo Z 12:43:12 02/20/08 Ok, only if I was suggesting something that would ruin the Z - 91Z32TT 12:51:28 02/20/08 true story (n/m) - ktuxtwin 12:54:23 02/20/08 false. (n/m) - Halo Z 21:38:05 02/20/08 it's just as bad. ` (n/m) - Halo Z 21:37:27 02/20/08 Electric turbocharger (n/m) - en5 13:32:23 02/20/08 The problem is the turbos. - ZCulture 13:46:39 02/20/08 Driveline plays a factor as well. Someone correct me - tystar 13:54:26 02/20/08 HP and Reliability are always competing with each other. - Audioquest 14:11:23 02/20/08
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